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November 29, 2006

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Salihah

I found your link via the Corporate Media Watch tribe on Tribe.com. I posted the link in a tribe I moderate, True Islam. May I post your link on my blog? As well as put your blog URL in my favorite blog links section?

Thank you for being a voice of reason.

Peace, Salihah

George Hunsinger

Would you consider re-writing Section 4?

I would like to see it lead with a rejection of "all cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment" as defined by customary international law.

Torture would then be included, explicitly, under that rubric.

It is important not to disconnect a ban against torture from the larger prohibiiton of cid.

The point is not to reject torture and also cid, but to reject cid which necessarily includes torture.

I think your idea has real merit. I will circulate it through the human rights community for comment.

But I would prefer to have a rewritten version of Section 4 first.

Thank you.

Dr. George Hunsinger
Princeton Theological Seminary
Founder, National Religious Campaign Against Torture
609-252-2114

Travis

Constitutional Ammendment XVII-
IMIGRATION INTEGRITY AMMENDMENT:

Section 1: A person born within the borders of the United States of America or its territories that does not have, at the time of birth of that person, at least one parent that is an American citizen or entitled to be an American citizen is not entitled to citizenship of the United States.

Section 2: Persons residing within the borders of the United States of America that do not hold citizenship of the same, will not be guaranteed nor automatically receive the same rights attributed to legal and current citizens.

Thesmothete

For a constitutional amendment, this seems too long and complicated -- the same thing that torpedoed the balanced budget amendment. Simple is better -- more timeless. We can draw on the language and experience of the 8th and 13th amendments:

Amendment XXVIII

Section 1. The cruel or indecent treatment of a person in the custody of the United States, or any government within its jurisdiction, is prohibited.

Section 2. Congress shall have the power to interpret and enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years of its submission.

Advantages of this approach:

It uses the broad terms "cruel" (found in the 8th amendment, but interpreted by some to apply only to judicially-imposed "punishments") and adds the term "indecent" instead of "unusual" as is found in the 8th Amendment. The idea of an "evolving standard of decency", so problematic implied to some the 8th Amendment, would be explicit here. With this understanding, the legislature would be (nearly uniquely among all parts of the Constitution) empowered to interpret and re-interpret what is "decent" over time. The amendment states that cruel "OR" indecent treatment is prohibited, allowing leeway to ban treatment that is arguably only one of those two. Based on recent Congressional votes, we can feel confident that torture would be included by Congress in any definition of cruel or unusual. Congress could also deem indefinite (or lengthy) detention without trial as indecent. If Congress failed to define these terms in law, section 1 would remain self-executing in the courts.


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